Hot Air wrote on June 06, 2006 8:39 AM:"Relatives of yours? "

Hermannater wrote on June 06, 2006 7:30 AM:"Hot Air Your Talents for teaching students above your head safety are desperately needed in LUTZ, Fla. My condolence to the friends and relatives of these two students. I hope your lecture will contain some substance instead of you reading the OSHA Manual out LOUD to them. http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2006/06/06/news/ doc448437086bb6b387868191.txt"

Hot Air wrote on June 06, 2006 3:22 AM:"More figments of my imagination: http://www.windwatch.org/articles/3191 http://www.windwatch.org/?module=uploads&func=download&fileId=26 "

Teddy K wrote on June 05, 2006 3:40 PM:"Why Hermannater, I'm so glad you're such a fan of mine I'd like to take you to dinner. Pick ya up at 7? As the limo driver is on vacation I'll be driving. Hope you don't mind the inconvenience. Now where'd I put my single malt? "

Embarrassing announcement from the Hermannater wrote on June 05, 2006 8:08 AM:"For the record Senator Edward M. Kennedy and other NANTUCKET NIMBY'S where the first to vomit @ the psychedelic disco wind farm party. Clean up costs will be astronomical."

Hermannater wrote on June 03, 2006 10:19 PM:"Monster A.K.A.Hot Air and your side kick wind.bag wheel.........Six senators from Illinois, Wisconsin and North Dakota sent a letter on Friday to the Defense Department and the FAA expressing concern over the order to halt construction at 12 facilities in those states and South Dakota. Why the sudden silence ? Do you feel you have won? I bet the grins on your faces are as wide as Teddy's Posterior . I am sure these six senators would enjoy this comment....Which of the following categories best describes you? a) WindFarce exec situated to make a killing on the cash grab from taxpayers followed by selling off to another private energy corporation that will undoubtedl back out of most of the promises made by your company to the locals. b) Gubbamint stooly looking for a big kickback. c) WindFarce subcontractor/employee looking for job security. d) Landowner set to make a bundle selling your soul. e) Whispy eyed "environmentalist" not willing to go beyond the sugar coating of ooooo look windmills nice - green energy yay. f) Forum troll."

Hot Air wrote on June 03, 2006 10:19 AM:"That's good to hear Hermie baby. Perhaps you may even be able to provide some substance to back your expert commentary. "

Hermannater wrote on June 03, 2006 6:40 AM:"Dear toffee-nosed hubris odorless Hot Air fear monger. I just accepted a job as a Cable news Technical Expert witness. I will be appearing on any one of those Dementia News networks. I will be barking, out of turn in one of video boxes. Its been fun blogging and flogging ya . Sincerely Hermann"

Hot Air wrote on June 02, 2006 3:25 PM:"For reference Jack Mountain wind farm proposal (Liberty Gap) sites 50 turbines (400ft towers - blade size 120 to 150ft) on 6.4 miles of ridge. One tower every 675 feet. Including the fan, turbines will have a height of 520 to 550ft. A tower will need a restricted area (they've fallen over before) 1040ft wide. They've also been known to chuck ice and blade fragments 1/4 mile leaving secondary restricted area 2640ft wide. For Jack Mountain that means a primary restriction 33792ftX1040ft (35143680sqft or 806.79acres) and secondary restriction 33792ftX2640ft (89210880sqft or 2048acres) The site has a nameplate value of 100 MW (20MW realistic). Note that mountain sites require less land than the flat ones. Primary restricted areas will be the area the owners don't want anyone in due to the potential for injuries & lawsuits. Secondary restrictions apply to setbacks from other structures. There will also be associated transmission lines (17 miles for Jack Mtn) and access roads. "

Hot Air wrote on June 02, 2006 2:12 AM:"Well Hermie baby, The gubbanator ain't my guvna. I'll wait patiently for your land use. Jeff's article also mentions the windfarms produce as much as 40% of the name plate's rating. I realize that includes anything down to 0% but it is a misleading statement as most people will read into it that wind farms produce 40% of nameplate. "

Hermannater wrote on June 01, 2006 4:39 PM:"odorless Hot Air.... Damn I hate math. Guess I am going to have to drag the old abacus out. This might take awhile. One huge hole in your coping and pasting is According to the EPA 25 megawatts requires a 1500 acre wind facility.Just like your Governer(((( Ill BE BACK))))"

Hot Air wrote on June 01, 2006 3:59 PM:"Make that FPL, not Florida Light & Power http://www.fplenergy.com/news/contents/06014.shtml What you won't see is how their lawyers had a contract with the original developer chucked in the bin to avoid paying what the developer promised to pay Tucker County each year. "

Hot Air wrote on June 01, 2006 3:51 PM:"Note also the source of the article. Liberty Gap has a "scientist" that states bats won't be affected on Jack Mountain when the bat population is greater than that on Backbone Mountain. Backbone has the highest bat kill rate in the world. Florida Light and Power put a stop to the study early on, Backbone Mtn is theirs. Liberty Gap also has a "scientist" that claims the blasting won't adversely affect water sources on Jack Mountain when smaller blasting HAS done just that. The blasting BTW will affect the numerous bat caves surrounding Jack Mtn as well as the water supply. I realize this is a different project, but it isn't a gift horse, look in its mouth before accepting. "

Hot Air wrote on June 01, 2006 3:45 PM:"From the article - "The addition of a wind plant to a power system does not require the addition of any backup conventional generation since wind is used primarily as an energy resource. --->In this case, when the wind is not blowing, the system must rely on existing dispatchable generation to meet the system demand.""

Jeff wrote on June 01, 2006 3:17 PM:"Dear Do some research on these monstrosities, A multi-group completed that states emphatically that wind farms don't need back up generation. Wind is intermittant, not unreliable. Link to the study: http://www.uwig.org/UWIGWindIntegration052006.pdf"

Hot Air wrote on June 01, 2006 2:40 PM:"Oooops I messed up. It'd only take a mere 29,800,000 acres for 100% I suppose we can sacrafice 1/10th of America for our insatiable need for electricity "

Hot Air wrote on June 01, 2006 2:33 PM:"Hermann/NASCAR/Mongo - I see you are enjoying yourself quite a bit. One gas fired 555 megawatt plant in California sits on 15 acres of land. One megawatt is about the yearly consumption for 900 US citizens. According to the EPA 25 megawatts requires a 1500 acre wind facility, in reality that is 5 megawatts as the wind doesn't blow all the time these things put out about 20% of name plate at best. Soooooo to equal just that one 555 megawatt plant you need 166500 acres. That feeds 900 people per year. The US population is about 298,000,000. Soo for 100% wind energy that requires 5,513,000,000 acres of wind farm. There is about 226,400,000 acres of land in the US. So if we covered the US in windfarms we could provide a little less than 4.2% of our electrical needs. Tell me where the advantage is in reduced coal emissions just based on those mathematics. "

Mongo chained to a wall in the jail in Ellsworth wrote on June 01, 2006 12:12 PM:"Hot Air .. you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar Litigation Expert"

Hot Air wrote on June 01, 2006 11:46 AM:"Hermann uhhm I mean Ellsworth NASCAR fan - I dunno but probably nowhere near the tonnage that won't be "cilled" by the bats that will be killed on Pendleton County (Jack Mountain) if the things get built. See Tucker County for comparison and note the bat population in Tucker County (Backbone Mtn) is not as high by any stretch as that in Pendleton County. I realize that bats may not be an issue for this project, but it just goes to show you how the adverse consequences get trumped by the hopes for one good consequence. "

Ellsworth NASCAR fan and avid bow hunter wrote on June 01, 2006 11:30 AM:"Hot Air... How many skeeters is cilled by them spinner things"

Hot Air wrote on June 01, 2006 10:19 AM:"Mr. GreenJeans - Offshore wind farms seem more viable to me than on shore ones. The impact still needs fair assessment. We could go a long way in this country to reduced emissions by USING LESS energy. We need steady sources of energy to replace coal, which is a steady source. I've already explained and linked to sites discussing why steady sources are needed regarding the grid. Wind varies. On a small scale it's great, battery storage during over production, battery usage during non/under production. Same for solar. Nuclear??? recent advances make it more viable. Transportation accounts for 1/3 of US CO2 production. Buy a smaller car. Residential energy consumption accounts for about 1/6, turn off the lights and buy more efficient appliances. "

Hot Air wrote on June 01, 2006 10:18 AM:"Bat rabies accounts for approximately one human death per year in the United States. Thus, some people consider bats to be dangerous. Nevertheless, dogs which often are considered "man's best friend," attack and kill more humans annually than die from bat rabies in a decade. Statistically speaking, pets, playground equipment, and sports are far more dangerous than bats. Clearly, bats do not rank very high among mortality threats to humans. Nevertheless, prudence and simple precautions can save lives. http://www.batcon.org/home/index.asp?idPage=91&idSubPage=62 West Nile fatalities - 2005 = 119// 2004 = 100 // 2003 = 264 // 2002 = 284 // 2001 = 9 // 2000 = 2 // 1999 = 7 /// Eastern Equine Encephalitis 220 cases 1964 to 2004 with mortality of approximately 1/3 /// Rabies 1991 - 2001 36 cases in the US at least 7 were contracted outside the US(all data from CDC website) Rabies - Bite wound ----> post exposure vaccination. Mosquito borne illness - skeeter bite ---> wait & see. Calf production ain't my main career. Public health is but one facet of my job. "

Hermann aka Der Hermanter wrote on June 01, 2006 5:51 AM:"Fear Monger DE JURE.....look into things before taking a rabid stance....MMM...do some research..cdc report..mmm. Most of the recent human rabies cases in the United States have been caused by rabies virus from bats."

Mr.Green Jeans wrote on June 01, 2006 4:05 AM:"A park ranger testimony on birds and windmills... www.cleanpowernow.org/ images/sections/ 1%20bent%20int.mov A property owner testimony on property and windmills www.cleanpowernow.org/ images/sections/ 2%20inga%20real%20estate.mov"

Hermann wrote on June 01, 2006 12:13 AM:"Hot Air....Why don't you do the world a favor and pull your lip over your head, and swallow"

Brian Roberts wrote on May 31, 2006 5:55 PM:"Ok I'm one of the few here that will post my real Name! Nothing to hide from! Quote:Devil's Advocate wrote on May 23, 2006 8:49 AM: "When you've lived in a nice peaceful spot your entire life and your neighbor decides to stick an ugly piece of machinery in sight of your house you would complain too.:quote Come look at my neibhors house, its a junkyard but the City of Le roy does nothing about it, I'd trade it for A windfarm in a second!~!. I remember my Mother talking about here Father and how "They" were burying Gas Lines in the ground in the early part of the 1900's, he swore that whole towns would BLOW UP!! Come on people get real!! Once again its the dime stopping the dollar, if producing energy reallybothers you that go outside and yank your elec. meter off the post and quit using it!!. Otherwise quit slamming it!!.....B....."

Hot Air wrote on May 31, 2006 3:08 PM:"All I need to do is change my name and you'll listen eh? I do believe I left the majority of folks uninsulted. We'll start with the non-whispy eyed environmentalists. The ones that actually look into things before taking a rabid stance. Like windmills fer instance. Got any idea how many bats these things kill? Mosquito control by bats? West Nile equine encephalitis viruses? Reduction in coal consumption could be brought about by other means? I'll not concern myself with the execs that are making a killing. They don't care. Nor will I consider the gubbamint stooly. For every landowner set to make some cash there're several set to lose in ways you never considered. Why bother discussing disruption of wells and springs? Adverse effects on runoff and flash floods too? "

Hermann wrote on May 31, 2006 8:32 AM:"Just a thought....If monster where head of public works...would we still be emptying our chamber pots out into the street. "

Hermann wrote on May 31, 2006 6:21 AM:"LMAO Hot Air.....I think I was malicious blogging in my sleep...."

Hermann wrote on May 31, 2006 4:57 AM:"Monster...Cant believe I misspelled Ellsworth...a) WindFarce exec situated to make a killing on the cash grab from taxpayers followed by selling off to another private energy corporation that will undoubtedl back out of most of the promises made by your company to the locals. b) Gubbamint stooly looking for a big kickback. c) WindFarce subcontractor/employee looking for job security. d) Landowner set to make a bundle selling your soul. e) Whispy eyed "environmentalist" not willing to go beyond the sugar coating of ooooo look windmills nice - green energy yay. f) Forum troll....Are their any other members of society YOU wish to insult....YOU should eat your corn flakes with Milk not piss."

Hot Air wrote on May 31, 2006 1:53 AM:"Sandwitchboard? Is that some old torture device from Salem? "

Hermann wrote on May 30, 2006 8:56 PM:"Monster....I hope that you would visit our fair city of Ellsworht so you can protest your feelings . I made you a sandwitchboard that you can wear on the front I printed all you Ideas.. and on the back I put a deer."

Do some research on these monstrosities wrote on May 30, 2006 2:14 PM:"BTW, don't bring petroleum production into the equation as we use very little oil for the production of energy. Our use for that is in powering those big SUVs that seem to be so popular as status symbols around here. "

Do some research on these monstrosities wrote on May 30, 2006 2:11 PM:"Part 1 - Wind vs coal - show me where I've been a strong advocate for the use of coal. I've simply pointed out tons of evidence that shows industrial wind farms are not the answer. Look at Germany's use of wind power and what has happened in terms of coal usage concurrently. It's gone up in Germany. Wind farms HAVE TO HAVE BACK UP for times they aren't operating at peak output, which is most of the time. When they are operating at peak output those back up plants aren't completely shut down. They're still running for when the wind farm goes off line, which is anytime the wind starts gusting over 35 or so mph or is below 8 mph. At speeds below optimum the wind turbines put out didly squat so the gap must be filled by an alternative source, which is currently coal. Wind power generated on shore is just to spotty to rely on without the back up. The investment is great and the return is minimal. "

Do some research on these monstrosities wrote on May 30, 2006 2:10 PM:"Part 2 - We need to investigate other alternatives AND we need to take a hard look at the autos we're in love with as they're the biggest source of our CO2 emmisions. Onshore the wind blows at the wrong time for peak output, summer days are when we need the most and that is when these things sit idle. Off shore wind may be a better source, but still needs to be investigated and developed for deeper waters further off shore. The other environmental impacts need consideration as exchanging CO2 for another problem ain't good science. BTW, look into how much CO2 will be generated by the production of all the concrete that goes into these things as well as the heavy equipment used to ship the components in and the damage they'll do to the roads that will have to be upgraded to handle the heavy equipment and repaired after it's gone. You'll be unpleasantly surprised. "

Do some research on these monstrosities wrote on May 30, 2006 2:09 PM:"Part 3 - I too use to think wind was a good idea until I started investigating it. Read the links I put up and focus on bat kills, environmental damage, and expected output of electricity. The reality isn't a good one. Do me a favor, show me independent works to verify that onshore windfarms are a viable alternative worth the expense of installation (financial as well as environmental) for the return on output and reduced reliance on coal. The cash going into wind could be better used for reducing our coal usage by upgrading existing coal fired plants to burn more efficiently and cleaner AND promoting lower end user consumption. "

Wind vs. Coal wrote on May 30, 2006 7:43 AM:"Oh no....shadows on a corn field! I think I'm gonna puke! And to the guy who is citing all of this "research" about how dreadful wind energy is....do yourself a favor and research the environmental effects of coal mining and petroleum production and then compare them to wind production. I think, after a long and difficult search, you will discover that you are a total idiot."

Dr. Richard Cranium P.H.D. wrote on May 29, 2006 6:14 PM:"After reading monster and wheel testimonial readings about blow hard energy I have decided to quit my job at big fan.ink. As soon as I find out what town they live in , I hope to find an abandoned building to live in their town of course. Since I will have no utilities I will need to find an old oil barrel to burn whatever combustibles I can find to heat and cook. For money I will go on the government dole, IE welfare,food stamps,ssi. For additional income I will hang out at busy intersections and pan handle, or try wash windshields with spit and a dirty hankie for tip money. I am so ashamed of myself for thinking I could save the earth by making green power."

Hermann wrote on May 29, 2006 2:03 PM:"Monster Beef swinger... As of late I work as a Bio-janiter . I follow you around and red bag all the fecal material you Leave in other peoples neighborhoods. Since you are in the beef industry, have you had yourself checked for Cruetzfeldt-Jakob Disease. I knew you where Insane "

Do some research on these monstrosities wrote on May 29, 2006 11:47 AM:"Hermann, still no substance, eh? You asked earlier for me to show my credentials. A few hints - I put hormone and antibiotic free beef on the market among other things. Math & science were my strong suits through the post graduate studies I completed. Care to enlighten us about yourself? Which of the following categories best describes you? a) WindFarce exec situated to make a killing on the cash grab from taxpayers followed by selling off to another private energy corporation that will undoubtedl back out of most of the promises made by your company to the locals. b) Gubbamint stooly looking for a big kickback. c) WindFarce subcontractor/employee looking for job security. d) Landowner set to make a bundle selling your soul. e) Whispy eyed "environmentalist" not willing to go beyond the sugar coating of ooooo look windmills nice - green energy yay. f) Forum troll."

wind wheel wrote on May 29, 2006 11:31 AM:"Ah yes, the Zilkhas. So, you thank the Zilkhas for your “fortune”? You said a lot of hard work? Exactly what “hard work” did you do?"

Hermann wrote on May 29, 2006 4:50 AM:"Dear Mr. Monstrosities and your side kick wind.bag wheel... Its a good thing that the blades of our Turbines don't twist as fast you do the truth."

Do some research on these monstrosities wrote on May 28, 2006 11:39 PM:"It's at this juncture I'd like to point out that loads of hard work goes into many failures. The important thing being that decent folk know when to quit and profiteers out for just the cash don't necessarily find quiting time to be the same as those that really care about things other than federal reserve notes. I'd also like to commend you for omitting the word 'usurp' from your last post. In reality it applies to what the wind farce companies are doing to areas around the country with the blessing of an administration void of conscience and ignorant of science with your hard earned tax dollars. Thanks Hermann for yet another valuable contribution void of substance. It was almost funny too. How much do you stand to profit directly off this boondoggle? "

Hermann wrote on May 28, 2006 6:07 PM:"Dear Mr. Monstrosities could you take off the Monster mask and show us your credentials. And yes I live in the new 8th wonder of the world .Many people have worked hard getting the project off the ground. I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Zilkhas for starting this project. Sincerely Hermann ......... PS I drive a solar powered unicycle with no seat made from recycled AOL cd's to work uphill both ways.."

Do some research on these monstrosities wrote on May 28, 2006 2:36 PM:"Nothing is obvious Hermann. I pay taxes and they're going to subsidize this project. FWIW I am being directly impacted by a wind farm proposal. So I've got an interest in any of them. So far you're batting zero on all fronts, you've failed to address real issues and the comments you've attempted to make have been shot down in flames by wind wheel. Got any concept for the tonnage of concrete involved in one of these projects and how much CO2 is produced in production? Any concept for just how temporary and inefficient these windfarms are? Any concept for just how much tax money is being shoved into the pockets of the energy industry with little real independent study of the actual impact they have on the environment and their usefulness? Do you know why European countries aren't pressing on much any more with wind energy? Go ahead with the vitriol rather than substance as it appears to be your only front. Have you a vested interest in this project?"

wind wheel wrote on May 28, 2006 1:25 PM:"Some of the landowners who leased their land don’t live anywhere near the windfarm. Aren’t they rural style absentee landlords? And the salesman who promoted the leases? Exactly where is his family home? How many hundreds of miles away is it? Is it in the middle of a wind farm? "

Hermann wrote on May 28, 2006 11:29 AM:"Dear Mr. Monstrosities Its obvious by your previous comment that you because you walk to work that you don't live any where near this wind farm. So why don't you find a different neighborhood to usurp."

Do some research on these monstrosities wrote on May 28, 2006 10:47 AM:"Hermann - nice to see you cannot get through a post without flinging insults. They do wonders for your position. It appears you're going off on a tangent with offshore windfarms. They're different in many aspects. Onshore ones tend to be operational during off peak hours. Then there's the grid issue I pointed out that you don't seem to be willing to address (as well as all the other valid points). If a coal fired plant is running on standby for a windfarm then where's the advantage? No advantage for your future generations. Ever hear of solar fabric? If you're so concerned cover your roof with it. BTW as far as your comment about my "Hummer" I walk to work, ride a motorcycle for errands or use a small pickup truck for hauling items too big for the bike. Missus DsRotM drives an econobox. "

wind wheel wrote on May 27, 2006 11:46 PM:"Since when are the fiberglass blades renewable? I called my nearest land fill. They will let me pay to take them away if I cut them into chunks that will fit into their dumpsters. I think that concrete is classified as hazardous waste. Landfills don’t want it. The farmer is stuck with it and with the underground cables. When the landowner is a farmer, IF the access roads are laid parallel to the furrows, they will be less a problem. But those roads also can be likely to take the shortest cheapest route breaking up fields and leaving triangles. "

Hermann wrote on May 27, 2006 7:44 PM:"Dear Mr. Monstrosities Thanks for trying to usurp me. Its obvious by your previous comment that you are a screaming liberal. One of Americas most famous Monstrosities, Senator Edward M. Kennedy does not want Wind power ether . Here do some research http://www.cleanpowernow.org/index.php The beauty of these Ellsworth Monstrosities is they displace way less farm ground then the mall you drive you hummer to. They are made made from 100 % renewable materials. They can be removed at any time and the only thing left would be a stout concrete pedestal and a access road. Since you are a liberal and incapable of comprehending long term plans. I will explain to class what you are trying to wash. What will we do with all nasty wastes produced by Nukes Coal and Oil ? Explain that to future generations. Sincerely Hermann"

Do some research on these monstrosities wrote on May 26, 2006 2:28 PM:"Dear Hermann, I'm sorry if my postings are a bit over your head. Just read the links and ask for clarification if you must. I once thought wind farms were a good idea until I started looking into various concerns about them. They're about as far from being green as the current administration is. "

homerjsimpson wrote on May 25, 2006 10:34 PM:"I could never be mad at you big wind farm."

Hermann wrote on May 25, 2006 3:40 PM:"Dear Mr. Monstrosities Are you a soot pipe sucker ? I believe your Hg blood levels have made you insane. Your ridiculus jargon makes you sound like a Mad Hater "

wind wheel wrote on May 25, 2006 1:24 PM:"There won’t be seizures, but regular flashes caused by the blades’ movement are very annoying. The sun is too bright for blinds or curtains to eliminate the flashes. Some developers will offer to erect awnings. However, the flash will still hit the ground outside the windows so there could be reflection. Generally people don’t install awnings on their windows because they want to be able to look upward toward the sky. Should they be forced to give that up because of wind turbines on someone’s land? Landowners, by signing the contract, probably have accepted all effects such as noise, audio, visual, view, light, vibration, air turbulence, wake, electromagnetic, television reception interruption, shadow flicker caused by the project on their land. The renting landowners agreed to accept those effects and gave up any right to sue. What a pity they didn’t have the common decency to realize they would be accepting and inflicting all these effects on their neighbors as well. Instead, we hear, “It’s my land, and I’ll do whatever I want to do with it.” They say the neighbor is selfish. What’s wrong with this picture? "

wind wheel wrote on May 25, 2006 1:19 PM:"First of all, it is called blade shadow flicker, not “shadow pollution”. This occurs on sunny days during the times that the blades are turning in a line of sight between the sun and viewer or dwelling. It occurs during two time spans yearly, as the sun travels toward the north and then back to the south. Computer programs provide actual maps predicting when the shadows will fall on a home. Some companies stop the turbines during the times that homes are affected. That is the only remedy, unless you build a high solid wall outside your windows. But, who wants to do that? Depending on blade rpm, the shadow probably will pass over the home no faster than once every second. This is not the proper frequency to cause nausea or seizures. Depending on the light intensity, people will notice flicker up to about 50 Hz (flashes per second). 10-25 Hz cause problems like eye strain, headaches, nausea, seizures. According to OSHA, Photosensitive Epilepsy affects 5% of the 2.5 million American Epileptics. Flicker between 5 to 30 Hz are most likely to cause the seizures."

Do some research on these monstrosities wrote on May 24, 2006 4:58 PM:"So much to read... Conventional plants are kept up and running on spinning standby to help meet the varying demands of electricity - the massive grid that powers the US east of the Rockies except for Texas must have demand and supply matched to avoid problems. The plants cannot be turned on instantly, they've gotta be up and running, just not spinning the generators. There has to be such spinning standby available for windfarms. So the coal still burns and emits CO2. White elephant they are. For a more indepth article about this read - http://www.aweo.org/windCourtney1.html"

Do some research on these monstrosities wrote on May 24, 2006 4:39 PM:"Before anyone claims wind energy to be useful on large scale learn the dynamics involved in linking windfarms to the power grid and what requirements are for backing them up. They're nothing more than 400 to 550 foot tall white elephants. As I said before the cost to produce 1 megawatt via wind is way more than the cost for other means. Read this http://www.sovereignty.net/p/clim/wind-leo.htm Windmills will not be able to provide adequate electricity to knock a dent in anything. Look at the energy consumption in Germany, the nation that has the most windfarms. Their dependence on fossil fuels for electricity has gone up rather than down over the time the windfarms have gone on line. Conventional plants MUST be in place to take over demand when windfarms are idle or underproducing. If wind is gusting too fast the mills have to be locked down. The conventional plants cannot be ramped up and down to fill the gaps on these days, they have to run continuously. More reading - http://www.aweo.org/ProblemWithWind.html "

Do some research on these monstrosities wrote on May 24, 2006 4:37 PM:"RAD, hybrid cars will reduce oil dependency on their own. Wind energy is irrelevant. A better approach now would be to buy autos more suited to need NOW! Go take a ride around any large city and count the SUVs capable of hauling 6 to 8 people that have only a driver in them. I wonder how many folks own these tugboats have the audacity to moan about foreign oil. "

Hilldweller wrote on May 24, 2006 11:41 AM:"Flash: Do you realize how BIG these things are? Waterson Towers is what? 29 stories tall, the tallest structure between Chicago and Springfield. These are taller by ten stories or more! Believe me when the shadows are long in the morning and evening it will be impressive. This is not your Grandpa's windmill. Each tower is a power plant. High voltage wires will be run underground where possible. Substations will be erected. Look around and see how many $400,000 homes are built near substations and high tension lines. Ellsworth is doomed."

Natasha wrote on May 24, 2006 10:05 AM:"You know, two current issues could be resolved if the wind farm property was used to build restaurants and taverns that cater to smokers, the wind would dissipate the smoke. They could only be open in the evening, though, because of that pesky "SHADOW POLLUTION". I also agree that the vomiting at disco parties was from something other than the flickering lights! I haven't had so much entertainment from an article in years!!!"

RAD wrote on May 24, 2006 10:05 AM:"The folks that point out that today's windfarms do nothing to reduce dependence on foreign oil are correct, in the near term. But as today's hybrid-electric cars transition to full-electric cars in the near future, windfarms and other renewable eneregy technologies will help provide the electricity to recharge car batteries."

Do some research on these monstrosities wrote on May 24, 2006 4:03 AM:"One more thing to be wary of - The developers of these things will make deals regarding the monetary benefits to the local community and regarding monitoring wildlife destruction. They are then free to sell off the project after completion for a hefty profit (remember, they've been subsidized by the fed to build 'em) to a third party. The third party is free then to bring in their attorneys and pretty well wipe out the contracts drawn up by the developer to benefit the local community. They can also close off access to researchers looking at wildlife kills. History has a way of repeating itself often if we don't learn from it."

Do some research on these monstrosities wrote on May 24, 2006 3:54 AM:"My apologies for the combined length of those posts if they get put up. You may have to read them bottom first to make sense of them as they were written in one long essay in that order. I've done a load of research on these things and talked publicly at hearings and heard all manner of BS spouted by supporters (i.e. people set to make money off of them or people that have been led to believe they'll get a job, which they probably won't and if they do, it'll be temporary). Don't be a sap. "

Do some research on these monstrosities wrote on May 24, 2006 3:50 AM:"It's a boondoggle my friends. A plan to take large sums of cash from the federal coffers (your tax dollars) and put it in the pockets of a few wealthy individuals that will leave the country side littered with noise making, shadow flickering, strobing, bat/bird killing machines. By the way, a turbine with a blade length of 120 feet will have a blade swept area of about one acre. Put 50 of those in the flight path of some migrating birds and you've got a lot of slicing and dicing going on. Oh, I forgot to mention, the things each hold 100 or so gallons of oil and if that leaks out it fouls wells and springs. Before getting behind these things obtain an informed opinion, not just some rabid attitude based upon what you've been spoon fed by the very companies that will profit from the mistakes. Do some digging and you'll see that the biggest supporters are the companies perched to benefit financially. "

Do some research on these monstrosities wrote on May 24, 2006 3:49 AM:"The bottom line for all those in favor of these things that think it is a matter of NIMBYism, it really isn't if you bother to learn about them. They ain't green, they ain't cost effective, and they ain't gonna do squat to reduce our dependency on foreign oil. Get that last one out of your head and slap anyone that tries to tell you otherwise. Oil runs cars and trucks and to a lesser extent heats homes. It doesn't generate electricity to any real degree. And the plants that use it won't be affected or taken off line by the wind farms. "

Do some research on these monstrosities wrote on May 24, 2006 3:47 AM:"More green issues. These things kill wildlife. Tucker County's facility has the highest kill rate of bats for any wind farm on the planet. The research was done during a short stretch of time that didn't include the brunt of their migration time. Florida Light and Power (owners of the Tucker Co. facility) has not let researchers back on their property in Tucker Co or anywhere else for that matter since this study was completed. This is not in compliance with the recommendations regarding wildlife kills made by federal government agencies. In case you don't like bats, bear in mind they eat their weight in insects daily. Those include mosquitos and other disease carrying insects. West Nile anyone? Equine encephalitis (it affects humans)? I've not even started in on migratory birds and raptors. Raptors include the Bald Eagle for those that aren't aware. "

Do some research on these monstrosities wrote on May 24, 2006 3:44 AM:"Economics behind them are a myth - these things cost tons of money. The real cost per megawatt of electricity is well over the cost for other means, nuclear, coalfired, or hydro. The cost is hidden in subsidies handed out by the bucket load from the US gubbamint. If I'm not mistaken those are your tax dollars at work. On further comment the companies that put these things in, promise jobs and don't deliver. They promise county income annually and don't deliver. See Tucker County West Virginia issues via google search. See also Pendleton County West Virginia via google. "

Do some research on these monstrosities wrote on May 24, 2006 3:40 AM:"Look, I've heard all the faux patriotism, faux environmentalism, and faux economics on these things before. Reduced oil consumption is a myth - we use very little oil in production of electricity. IIRC it's about 2% nationwide. Environmental advantage is a myth - these things will not replace coal fired plants. They do not run consistently and a back up plant needs to be available to fill the void or the electrical grid that feeds the entire US east of the Rockies except for Texas is subject to blackouts. They also use massive amounts of concrete, the production of which emits vast quantities of CO2 into the atmosphere. There is also the pollution from the convoys that bring in the massive components (a single blade is over 100 feet in length typically). These convoys wreck the local roads. The reality is that these things don't reduce CO2 production or reliance on fossil fuels enough to be worthy of all the money spent or environmental damage done in construction and siting. "

Donna Summer wrote on May 24, 2006 3:35 AM:"Toot toot hey beep beep "

Jamma wrote on May 23, 2006 9:45 PM:"I'm sick and tired of these whiners sand bagging every alternative that comes along and then complaining about $3.00 a gallon gas. OPEC is costing this home owner a lot more money for goods and services across the board, than any wind turbine in the back yard. They should be suing OPEC and supporting domestic efforts toward energy independance."

Chuck in Normal wrote on May 23, 2006 6:19 PM:"You have got to be kidding me.... Maybe you guys are having flashbacks from that LSD you did in the 60's.. If you don't want them on your farm I'll take them. And I know my neighbor will welcome them too. We both have property just South/West of Ellsworth on the other side of Dawson Lake. Call us, we'll take a couple of hundred of them."

To Farming Citizen wrote on May 23, 2006 3:56 PM:"Typical land agreements can produce $5000 a year for a landowner per turbine. One turbine generally takes 1/2 to 3/4 of an acre out of production. This includes turbine, access roads and crane pad for maintenence. What is the best net scenario for some of the richest soil in the country per acre, $300 to $500 dollars? "

Flash Gordon wrote on May 23, 2006 3:32 PM:"Hey-Farming Citizen: all my comments still apply. If you don't want ANY turbines on your property-don't erect THEM. Your neighbor's turbines will not give you fits, seizures, convulsions, or cause cancer or vomiting. If you want to farm the land otherwise used for installation of these windmills-fine. If you want to harvest the wind-fine too. YOU have to decide what crops you plant, and what harvests you reap. No one is going to guarantee you the corn will grow. No rain = no corn = no profit. It is not your privilege to tell any other farmer what he should be producing (produce, livestock, energy). And if looking out across a field at the windmills makes you dizzy, you were probably a little dizzy to begin with!"

To: Farming Citizen wrote on May 23, 2006 3:29 PM:"This energy is not going straight up some line to Chicago. Hence the Grid System in the USA. Remember the east coast blackout a few years ago. There are three distinct grids operating on three different Hertz. Each utility company measures it flow by SCADA control. They have meters setup to read the electricity in and out of their part of the grid. IPP get preference in Illinois by adding power into that grid before Amgen and ComEd can use Coal and Nuclear to generate more. There are very complex computer systems develped by ABBNM, GE and Siemens that control this flow of electricity. How are these windmill a problem???"

Farming Citizen wrote on May 23, 2006 3:10 PM:"Land owners are paid by the amount of energy their turbines produce. No wind = no money. Meanwhile the land that is used for the turbine and roads needing to access them is not producing any crops - on land that is some of the richest soil in the country."

Farming Citizen wrote on May 23, 2006 2:40 PM:"Please explain how the farmer could be losing money if the wind doesn't blow?"

Farming Citizen wrote on May 23, 2006 2:14 PM:"Flash - These turbines are not being set up individually. We are talking fields of them."

Farming Citizen wrote on May 23, 2006 2:12 PM:"I'm all for renewable energy sources - but a few things those of you not living near these windmills need to understand. It's nice to say that you have driven by Mendota and even taken pictures of the wind farm there - but realize the number of turbines they are putting up out here is at least 3 times that amount. It will be very close to Ellsworth. And don't be fooled that we will be using the energy produced from them here in McLean county - all the power is going up to the Chicago area. Farmers are getting compensated for their land - but if we have less than windy conditions they could be losing money. So it is great to have all the benefits of renewable energy - but there are drawbacks for those who live and work out here."

to build em wrote on May 23, 2006 2:10 PM:"Push it off on the farmers? I tell you what, why don't they give back thier subsidies and then tell us not to push stuff onto them?"

Flash Gordon wrote on May 23, 2006 1:43 PM:"This is truly amazing! If you don't want a wind turbine in your back yard-don't erect one! The very nature of a farm dictates that the family dwellings are not sitting one on top of the other as in an urban subdivision. You may see them while driving down the road, but your neighbor's turbine would not be close enough to you to cause fits, seizures, vomiting, or noise pollution even if it were proven possible! What we have here is a lawyer who has found a creative way to make money, and in this ‘sue everybody’ environment we have created, it looks like he just might reap the whirlwind! (pun intended). I don’t much care for your satellite dish, roof mounted TV antenna, late model used car on your property, etc., but it really ain’t my business as long as it does not affect me. If this ever gets to court, I hope people are smart enough to recognize that although you may not like the ascetics of a wind farm, it ain’t your business unless it is on your property! "

Breezy wrote on May 23, 2006 11:54 AM:"I wonder if people in Holland are vomiting in their back yards?"

Complaints? wrote on May 23, 2006 11:19 AM:"Walt, MDS and other whiners, Please do not write in again complaining about heating bills/gas bills if all you can do is protest something actually producing energy without polluting. I know in your minds that the birds and the view should be our only consideration. Jack, What were you smoking at the discos? The vomit in the back yard theory sounds like a pathetic cry for money to me. Was the Weekly World News a textbook at your law school? "

Build em in your yard wrote on May 23, 2006 11:16 AM:"I say no more electric plants. Everybody must have a turbine in your yard for your own electricty. Then see if you self rightous towns folk like looking at windmills everywhere. You claim NIMBYism, but I don't see any plans to put a windmill in a town park or a large neighborhood lot. No sir, just pawn it off on the farmers. That's NIMByism."

ADW wrote on May 23, 2006 11:10 AM:"I can't write what I want to. "

ADW wrote on May 23, 2006 10:56 AM:" You need help pal.How long did it take you and the attorney to think this one up. Hey! how about stupid pollution."

LOL! wrote on May 23, 2006 10:43 AM:"Shadow pollution?? Wow! I've seen everything now! LOL! What a joke!"

Ben wrote on May 23, 2006 10:31 AM:"YOU HAVE GO TO BE KIDDING ME! Shadow Pollution! Disco party nasea! Epilepsy! Where do you people come from. They're windmills, Slow spining, wind activated, turbines on a tall white pole! You live in corn fields with ugly silos and farm machinery everywhere. You think pristine white poles with three blades spinning is ugly? Go plow something. A person can do what they want on there property to make money as long as it doesn't infringe on others rights. A persons opinion as to the ascetic beauty of their neighbors skyline does not constitute infringement of rights in this country. At least it shouldn't. Noise? What is noisy about windmills. Putting them up maybe noisy, but hey your tractor is noisy, quit plowing the fields I'm trying to sleep. Geez, think about what you are saying before you say it. We have surplus energy. Great then we get to make money by selling more energy to the short sighted states that need energy but won't produce any for themselves and our electricity costs in IL theorectically should go down. "

Dumb wrote on May 23, 2006 9:26 AM:"Hillbilly, Epilepsy can be caused by a flashing light, but it takes a much faster rate than these things are going to produce spinning at less than 20 rpm. Check out firehouse.com to see pictures of buildings on fire...what's your point? BTW the flying cow comment was the funniest thing I have read today. "

Walt wrote on May 23, 2006 9:06 AM:"I would like to know how many game and migratory birds are killed by these unshielded blades. Perhaps the game wardens should check existing wind farms to see if they're commiting game law violations. If so, it would stop expansion of these killing machines to other places."

MDS wrote on May 23, 2006 9:04 AM:"If you are against drilling for oil in ANWAR or off the coasts, you should also be against these monstrosities in McLean County. Do the neighbors of these goliaths receive any compensation for the destruction of their peaceful lives?"

Pro Wind wrote on May 23, 2006 8:56 AM:"Shadow poluution??? Where did this guy get his law degree? I bet the school is very proud of him."

Devil's Advocate wrote on May 23, 2006 8:49 AM:"When you've lived in a nice peaceful spot your entire life and your neighbor decides to stick an ugly piece of machinery in sight of your house you would complain too. Take it easy on the homeowners. Would you want a power plant in your backyard?"

Michael Freimann, pantagraph.com wrote on May 23, 2006 8:47 AM:"Have more to say on this topic? Say what you want without word limits and start new topics in pantagraph.com's forums. www.pantagraph.com/forums."

Hilldweller wrote on May 23, 2006 8:08 AM:"Wow! The wind industry has done some great PR in the past 10 years. Foreign oil? We don't produce electricity from oil. NIMBY? If you don't protect your back yard who will? GREED? Horizon was formerly Zihlka but was sold to Goldman Sachs as soon as the wind project was approved. Why? Millions in tax credits for the wind developer. . . not you and me. Wind is not cheaper. The cost is passed on to you and me in the form of hight taxes and the impact on our beautiful countryside. By the way. Illinois has excess electric capacity and EXPORTS electical power to other states. WE DON'T NEED THIS! There is evidence that folks with epilepsy suffer seizures when exposed to flicker. And you don't know you have epilepsy until you have a seizure. THIS COULD BE YOU. Check out AWEO.ORG for pictures of wind towers on fire, etc."

wild bill wrote on May 23, 2006 7:50 AM:"Yes Disturbing, but he didn't inhale. I wonder what Jack's definition of is is."

DUH! wrote on May 23, 2006 7:46 AM:"It looks like old Jack has opened a can of worms here. What would he do if a twister picked up a piece of metal from Farmer Joe's windmill and it (Heaven forbid!) killed someone or caused extensive damage to Farmer Dan's barn. Will Jack be in court trying to get Farmer Joe shut down next? I think Jack will be spending a lot of time wishing he had someone to represent. I believe tornadoes are considered an act of god and ye of little faith in God (and the Engineers who design these turbines) should all move to NEW YORK CITY."

hog farm neighbor wrote on May 23, 2006 7:29 AM:"I live near a hog farm. Very near it. Those pigs make better neighbors than some people. Not knowing how close the turbines are to that family, it's hard to say if they are over reacting or not. It is easy for me to say that I think the wind farms are a good idea. Would I want want one in my backyard? I don't know, I've never thought about it or researched it."

lost in the 60's wrote on May 23, 2006 6:52 AM:"WOW, I'll trade homes with them if I can see pretty pictures and have psychedelic reactions again that won't effect me adversely, BUMMER, I guess that it takes all kinds, FAR OUT, LOVE and PEACE"

Question wrote on May 23, 2006 6:47 AM:"But will the mother ship be able to land and take Crazy Jack on another joy ride if the windmills are there? "

Leland wrote on May 23, 2006 6:39 AM:"Jack, I was a teen in the 60s and early 70s. I went to some of the shows with strobes. The vomitting you saw was drug induced, not light induced. Do you have stocks in oil companies? How do you say "clean energy"? I say the more wind and solar power, the better."

rl wrote on May 23, 2006 6:36 AM:"i wonder how many lawyers this family had to visit before they foud this one that would put his name on this law suit. looks like the lawyer had nothing else to do. as for the family you should have hooked up with this company and sucked in some of the cash that is going to be spent by them, i am sure it pays better than planting corn or beans. maybe you should sell your place and find some place to leave near a nuclear plant. list your house i will take a look at it, looking to move. "

Disgusted wrote on May 23, 2006 5:54 AM:"Lawyers just make me sick. I wonder how long it took him to figure out this nonsense. Complaining about shadows? Worried about winds knocking these down? They are not put up with tape. It is amazing the greed of people and the lawyers who make their living at exploiting this greed. Look...you had your chance to protest. Now you realize you want more money. Maybe I should have protested the school built down the road. A tornado could come and blow a few bricks my way. Oh... maybe I should go after Archer Daniels in Decatur. On a windy day I can smell that too. Maybe can find some physician to help support my lawsuit over how that has made me ill and let that be my excuse for all my bad choices and behavior. Grow up people. "

Laughing my pants off! wrote on May 23, 2006 5:41 AM:"I cant believe vomiting in the back yard? Get real! I have drove by the wind farm up north and didn't have to stop to vomit, but I did stop and take a picture. I drive by the hog farms and dont vomit, although I should. I cant believe the issues people will lower themselves to. What is next--Are you going to tell me that I cant buy a certain pair of underpants cause my neighbor might not like them? I question in my mind is, would my neighbor refuse to use the energy or power that would come from these windmills? Power me up if it will save on utilities."

Hermann wrote on May 23, 2006 5:33 AM:"I am glad to see their are only three people on the dumb side of the fence. Someday I hope to patent a device to harness all the Hot Air coming from our nations courts and supply the grid with free energy."

Ls wrote on May 23, 2006 2:59 AM:"The article doesn't say how close the turbines are to the houses. IF they are close enough to cast a shadow on the houses that is TOO CLOSE. I don't think the previous posters realize how big these turbines are. To compare them to a ceiling fan or trees is ridiculous. The blades are 100 ft. tall. Trees don't rotate and ceiling fans are 3-4 ft in diameter. I'm all for wind power and don't live near the proposed wind farm but definitely would not want one within 1/4 mile. Maybe a good place for these turbines would be on B/N golf courses or right next to some high priced subdivision. I bet no one would complain about that. The previous posters have the "as long as it isn't in my back yard" attitude. "

Mary wrote on May 23, 2006 12:04 AM:"And those 120,000 homes are not in McLean County nor anywhere near it."

Crazy wrote on May 22, 2006 10:53 PM:"Oh yes Jack, you are Crazy. This is nothinig more that greed. I live on the edge of a small community. When the farmers are in the field every thing around gets dirting from the drift. I may think about filing a suit against them. I bet Jack will represent me."

alternative wrote on May 22, 2006 10:50 PM:"I like the way people squawk about the dependence on oil and how it hurts the environment but when an alternative comes up a lot of people don't want it. We have traveled by the one up north and it looks rather nice. A couple of weeks ago we go up very close and found that they are protected like other electric facilities. I imagine they can stand pretty high winds since that is what they are designed for. Where we were you could hear the trucks on the highway which were further away than the turbines. There were no moving shadows. They are really far apart. When I see them they remind me of Holland. In fact they are better than a string of billboards along the highway, or a big string of electric poles and lines. If the electricity will hurt anyone we are all in big trouble cause look around there are electric lines and facilities everywhere. I really don't know what the fuss is all about. I think they are a great idea. "

almost hysterical wrote on May 22, 2006 10:41 PM:"Old Jack has to be from the city. Has to be. A disco? What a moron!! Who knew the comics for today's paper would end up on the front page?! Thanks, Pantagraph! I needed this. I spent almost two full weekends working in the wind farm in Bureau County and I never once got nauseous! Here's a hint, Jack. Stop trying to follow them with your eyes, idiot."

Ho-Hum wrote on May 22, 2006 8:16 PM:"The moving shadow effect would be no greater than the waves on a lake, hypnotic if you concentrate on them, but unnoticed after being exposed to them for a while. No worse than a ceiling fan. As for the tornado problem, don't worry. Your house will be moving at the same speed as the debris. Objects travelling at the same speed do not collide."

MWF wrote on May 22, 2006 7:52 PM:"The Mendota Hills wind farm has been in operation for about two years. Not only is there no vocal opposition, but some of the nearby farmers have purchased smaller turbines for their own properties after seeing the minimal effect the farm has on their lives."

Shadow wrote on May 22, 2006 7:30 PM:"SHADOW SICKNESS? what's up with that? I have trees that when the wind blows and the leaves and branches move the shadow moves all over the place. How about birds and planes and clouds that cause shadows to move all over the yard all day long. Beware of the wheat fields when you have a nice breeze blowing those tall grasses will wave all across the countryside and make you vomit!Tell the guy to just go out at nigh but make sure there isn't a full moon and no wind!lol Don't you just love it how people rag about getting away from oil and then when you try something they @#&*# about it more! How about we cut off the power to this guy and his attorney."

So, wrote on May 22, 2006 6:14 PM:"Jack. Should we ban cows and tractors from farms too? I mean if a tornado came through and some kid was hit by a flying cow, people wouldn't think old Jack was crazy would they? The farmers could just raise dirt. "

It Figures wrote on May 22, 2006 6:13 PM:"The Taylor's had their chance to discuss the issues with the farm and said nothing. Let's face it, this is just about holding the company hostage until they pay the Taylors off. Shadow pollution? Give me a break. It's good old fashioned greed and they should be drummed out of town."

CAPITALIZE ON IT wrote on May 22, 2006 6:09 PM:"INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SELL YOUR HOME, HAVE THEM HOOK YOU UP FOR FREE. FREE ELECTRICTY WOULD BE WORTH A GIANT FAN IN THE OLD BACK YARD. "

to feelgood wrote on May 22, 2006 5:58 PM:"Considering that wind moves the fragrances, as well as the turbines, you're in trouble whether the wind farm is there or not!"

Lighten up wrote on May 22, 2006 5:22 PM:"Off all the things that could be put in your backyard, this ain't so bad. It's wind. It's free and it is all around, nothing gets burned, taking from the air instead of polluting it. We need new ways of producing energy, thats a fact. A wind farm in my backyard would sure be better than a prisoner house, circus/campground, arena, etc....."

Cheyl wrote on May 22, 2006 5:12 PM:"I thought it was drinking and smoking too much that made people leave discos to vomit...it was just the strobes? But wait why are people still vomitting in the planters in downtown Bloomington? It amazes me the crap that people will let spill out of their mouths to SELL a point."

Stupid wrote on May 22, 2006 5:11 PM:"I have driven by the Mendota many times. If these were such a problem, people would have been complaining about the flicker while driving and how it caused them to be in an accident. I only wish I had money to invest in them. I am a die hard republican and think that this is an awsome thing. Uranium may have to come from foreign countries. We have oil by don't procure it as much as we should, and our coal is very dirty. What is wrong with the wind. And if tornado was powerful enough to move one of these things far enough to cause SERIOUS damage, there would be worse problems to worry about. I think you just need to follow the buck. These people are looking to make a cut off the wind farm and this is their way of shaking down the company."

Reality wrote on May 22, 2006 5:06 PM:"Reminder to self, "Do not hire Jack Vieley!" My family and I have been proposed by a wind farm company to erect some on our farming property and I'd like to see anybody try to stop us. Cancer and noise and shadow pollution?!?! How are you going to get cancer from these? I'm not worried about noise pollution, since you will only be able to hear them on moderate windy days. They are designed to go no more than 18 or 19 revolutions per minute. If there are dangerous high winds the blades are designed to turn into the wind to avoid going above 19 rpm and to save the rotator cuffs and bearing joints. Shadow pollution?? Is there such a thing? It is no different than having a tree and they don't take up much space and there is enough space between each one. The farmers can still use the farm land within a short distance from each windmill. Postponing the inevitable."

Bring It On wrote on May 22, 2006 4:51 PM:"Bring on the wind power. It rocks."

feelgood wrote on May 22, 2006 4:50 PM:"It's difficult for me to believe that there's a lawyer worth his salt who could see anything which would make him vomit. On the other hand, imagine living down wind from a large hog operation, with the turbines spreading the fragrance. "

cjc wrote on May 22, 2006 4:48 PM:"SO, we can"t build wind farms because someone doesn't like the view or the shaddows will make them sick. Can't drill new oil wells in the Gulf, or in the artic.Can't build new refinories anywhere because nobody wants them in their back yard .AND god forbid we build a nuclear power plant anywhere! Wake up america, Just where in the hell are we going to get the power America needs if no one allows us to build anythingnear them? What a bunch of morons!!!!! "

LOL wrote on May 22, 2006 4:40 PM:"Did anyone watch "10.5" on NBC last night? There was a scene just like what Old Jack describes here, where a turbine blade comes off the hinges and goes careening through town, mowing down townspeople and houses like a John Deere cutting the lawn. Oh, wait, maybe that happened in "Twister." Come to think of it, maybe it was "Independence Day" or "The Towering Inferno." Just think -- it could happen right here, people! Take it up with the county board before it's too late! Or, better yet, avoid your backyards altogether. Those spinning blades will make you hurl even if they don't take off your kid's arm."

BN Cynic wrote on May 22, 2006 4:38 PM:"More NIMBYism... people would be crabbing if there was a coal power plant or another nuclear plant going up. Power needs to be generated - people like lights and refrigerators and air conditioning. And how would the Bush supporters get their marching orders without the propanganda turned out by their electricity-powered televisions turned to FoxNews? And don't be surprised by the disco... people won't be admitting to watching American Idol in 20 years."

Disturbing wrote on May 22, 2006 4:19 PM:"I'm shocked by this article! Someone actually admits to attending a disco party!!!???"