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To: To = GM=20 wrote on June 06, 2006=20 5:41 AM:"Do=20 you read the newspaper or watch tv (other = then=20 Bill and Rush)? If you do you would know = that Bush=20 and the republican congress wanted to = drill for=20 oil in Alaska (and still do) but the = democrats=20 wanted to develope alternate fuels. Such a = brillant plan as it will be at least 10 = years=20 before any oil is pumped from there and = won't come=20 close to solving our oil shortage. = "

To = GM wrote=20 on June 04, = 2006 7:46=20 AM:"To: to=20 gm said: "Can't deny the facts so you call = someone=20 a comedian that is so clever!" You're the = "clever"=20 one here it seems. Why do accuse me of not = being=20 able to deny the facts when it's GM that = did=20 nothing to back up his statement. You = should have=20 recognized your double standard. = "

To: to = gm=20 wrote on June 03, 2006=20 5:10 AM:"Can't deny = the facts so=20 you call someone a comedian that is so=20 clever!"

To = GM wrote=20 on June 02, = 2006 2:00=20 PM:"You=20 should be a comedian."

GM: To = Carl=20 Rove wrote on June 02, 2006 6:42 = AM:"You're=20 wasting your time trying to explain = anything to=20 the conservatives. They get all of their = info from=20 Bill O'reilly and Rush "the mouth" = Limbaugh and=20 believe it to be the gospel truth. The = truth is=20 the democrats have been pushing for = alternate=20 energy for some time while until recently = all Bush=20 and the republicans would consider was = more=20 drilling for oil. "

Ugly Old=20 Woman wrote on June 01, 2006 = 10:06=20 PM:"30=20 years ago there were hundeds of windmills = in the=20 west. How many planes have they wrecked? = If=20 Saybrook can't build them, I have a lot of = land I=20 would let them build on. We need to get = some other=20 form of energy beside oil. In South Texas = they=20 were going to build windmills on = wasteland, which=20 is mostly cactus anmd mesquite trees. The = trouble=20 there was they might kill some birds. Any = bird who=20 knew where it was wouldn't have been out = in the=20 wasteland anyway. I could use a few = peilcans and=20 sea gulls roosting on my deck anyway.=20 "

Carl = Rove=20 wrote on June 01, 2006=20 4:55 PM:"To=20 Why: I would contend that every good = program or=20 policy, as well as some bad ones, that = have come=20 out of the Federal Government has been the = result=20 of progressive thought and politics not=20 conservatism. You have some nerve saying = that all=20 Liberals ever do is complain. Prior to = King George=20 II conservatives spent 8 years complaining = about=20 everything that President Clinton tried to = do and=20 virtually ground the government to a halt = for the=20 entire time because they were mad they = lost to=20 =93Bubba=94. Progressives and or liberals = have had=20 plenty of good ideas over the last few = years, just=20 not ideas that agreed with your positions = so they=20 are not even considered. Conservatives = have=20 control on the executive, legislative, and = judicial branches of government and = haven=92t gotten=20 squat done except killed and maimed a lot = of good=20 young Americans for no reason, run up a 3 = trillion=20 dollar deficit, squandered 50 years of = diplomacy,=20 and moved the tax burden almost entirely = on to the=20 middle class, so what=92s your excuse now? = "

Pilot wrote=20 on June 01, = 2006 4:16=20 PM:"Modern=20 Doppler weather radar and = military/aircraft=20 identification radar are similar in = principle, but=20 the much older aircraft radars are rather=20 sensitive to interference. I support wind = power as=20 strongly as anyone, but this corridor is a = major=20 arrival convergence point for aircraft = going into=20 Chicago using radio beacons in Pontiac and = one=20 called =93Boiler,=94 which is just = northwest of=20 Lafayette, IN. The military and FAA are = simply=20 making sure that these turbines do not = interfere=20 with an already sensitive system of = navigation and=20 tracking."

Carl = Rove=20 wrote on June 01, 2006=20 3:50 PM:"To=20 Trib Reader: I never said anything against = wind=20 power or any other form of energy in my = posts.=20 What I said was that earlier posters were = ignoring=20 the fact that it is a conservative = Republican=20 Senator from Virginia named John Warner = who is=20 blocking progress on the wind farms = projects,=20 according to the Tribune article, not = Senator=20 Kennedy as he claimed. Then suddenly, you = seem to=20 know all about my positions on energy and=20 everything else just because I don=92t = like people=20 twisting the truth to fit their = narrow-minded view=20 of the world. It might surprise you to = know that I=20 am in favor of wind power and almost all = other=20 forms of alternative energy as are most=20 =93tree-hugger liberals=94. As far as the = oil crisis=20 goes, if we had a leader for a President = who=20 wasn=92t allowing the oil companies to run = unchecked. We wouldn=92t be paying $3.00 a = gallon=20 for gas and giving them 16 billion in tax = dollars=20 to subsidize exploration at the same time. = If you=20 are completely unopposed to drilling = anywhere, how=20 about we start in your back yard and see = how fast=20 you become a = =93tree-hugger=94."

To = Tom wrote=20 on June 01, = 2006 2:26=20 PM:"I get a=20 kick out of liberals wanting to define = themselves.=20 They end up classifying themselves as = moderates,=20 centrists, mainstream, etc. "

Why wrote on=20 June 01, = 2006 2:26=20 PM:"why=20 can't liberals ever come up with any = ideas. They=20 can tell you everything that is wrong and = that is=20 all BUsh and conservatives fault, but do = they ever=20 offer any ideas to fix anything? No, do = they ever=20 offer to help fix anything? No. Do they = have a=20 better idea, a better plan? Any plan? of = course=20 not, because then they wouldn't be=20 liberals."

Proud=20 Liberal wrote on June 01, 2006 1:39 = PM:"True=20 Progressives (unlike the Kennedys) see = this for=20 what it is: wealthy elites want to = maintain the=20 view outside their windows, Cons and their = backers=20 in big oil are exploiting the elite's = NIMBY=20 concern to make it look as if the liberals = are=20 behind it. Silly conservative games that=20 ultimately undermine the USA to preserve = the=20 new-conservative political gains of the = last five=20 years. Rank and file Americans are on to = their=20 cagey, unwholesome ways, and will come = through in=20 November. The shameful, greedy, = self-serving=20 neo-con era is quickly drawing to a close. = "

Tom wrote on=20 June 01, = 2006 12:32=20 PM:"Hey=20 Trib REader If the conservatives had their = way you=20 would drill anywhere you felt like it. You = always=20 point your finger at the liberals. Have a = question=20 What is a liberal. Someone who does not = want=20 unjust war? Conserve energy and find = alternative=20 fuels besides oil. Not giving Oil = companies big=20 tax breaks and subsidies. Sounds like a = better way=20 than you conservatives want"

To Trib=20 Reader wrote on June 01, 2006 = 11:27=20 AM:"What in=20 the heck are you talking about? = "

Trib = Reader=20 wrote on June 01, 2006=20 11:04 AM:"To Carl Rove, = Just what=20 kind of energy is OK with you libs. Oil - = Can't=20 drill in ANWAR or the Gulf Coast - might = bother=20 Caribou or Tourists and causes global = warming.=20 Nukes - too little space here for your = concerns. A=20 wind farm in the middle of the Midwest? = The=20 Peoples Republik of Kalifornia allows wind = farms.=20 Even before Arnold! Please blame Big Oil = and the=20 Bush administration for higher prices = again while=20 not letting anyone do anything about=20 it!!!!!"

Carl = Rove=20 wrote on June 01, 2006=20 10:42 AM:"Typical = Conservative=20 tactic, don't bother finding out the facts = just=20 blame the Democrats for everything. Go = back to=20 watching the O'Reilly factor so you can = convince=20 yourself your right and sleep at night. So = why=20 don't you acknowledge the fact that the = project is=20 being blocked by an elitest Republican = named John=20 Warner and not Senator Kennedy? Because = that would=20 mean that you didn't bother to find out = the facts=20 and are wrong, but you can't be wrong = because your=20 a conservative right? Maybe thats why your = statement is drivel because it's driven by = your=20 dogma and not fact?"

To Carl = Rove=20 wrote on June 01, 2006=20 10:26 AM:"My, your = panties are in=20 a bunch after someone stepped on your = liberal=20 toes. No one brought up Bill Clinton. = Typical=20 liberal tactic of holding up your falisies = as=20 truths and anyone else's statements as=20 conservative drivel."

Carl = Rove=20 wrote on June 01, 2006=20 10:14 AM:"To Senator = Kennedy If=20 you had actually read the Tribune article = you=20 would see that the Republican Senator from = Virginia is the person that actually = stopped the=20 work on the wind farms. It appears from = the=20 article that all the Kennedys have done is = speak=20 out against the Cape Cod project. In case = you=20 haven't read the news for the last 5 years = the=20 Republicans are in charge of the = government. If=20 you want to blame someone blame the people = in=20 charge not the people Fox News and Rush = Limbaugh=20 don't like. It's amazing to me how people = like you=20 continue to blame Ted Kennedy and Bill = Clinton for=20 all the problems in this country when your = folks=20 are in control and have been for some=20 time."

Kent = Dorfman=20 wrote on June 01, 2006=20 10:03 AM:"I'll bet = people in the=20 Ridgeview school district will be so happy = that=20 possible tax monies will be delayed even=20 further."

Chicken=20 wrote on June 01, 2006=20 9:49 AM:"news ticker = ..Tall=20 windmills with video surveillance off of = cape cod=20 .. Kennedy sailboats ..coeds .. hanky = panky...=20 Teddy throw a wrench at that...Liberal = Agenda in=20 action..."

Cover-up=20 wrote on June 01, 2006=20 9:43 AM:"There are = several=20 things here that smell like a rat. 1. As=20 previously mentioned, these are stationary = devices. Wouldn't you realize these aren't = planes.=20 2. Radar gives off a signature when it = bounces=20 back. Couldn't you program the radar to = reconize=20 these as windmills. 3. Granted, some of = these are=20 going to be much taller, but isn't radar=20 ineffective under 200 feet? We have a = President=20 that says that we have to reduce our = dependence on=20 foreign oil, yet we have a government = shutting=20 these development down. Maybe they should = have the=20 Army Corp of Engineers developing=20 them."

Kennedy = and=20 Warner wrote on June 01, 2006 9:19 = AM:"The=20 Kennedys and Republican John Warner of = Virginia=20 are behind this. They don't want the view = from=20 their their picturesque retirement homes = to be=20 marred by windmills. Not In My Back Yard! = So,=20 we'll just put the kibosh on wind farms = across the=20 nation! Good work, guys. Just another = instance of=20 the special interests taking care of=20 themselves--after all, it's what special = interests=20 do best!"

Wind = bags=20 wrote on June 01, 2006=20 8:59 AM:"I=20 think we should build the world's largest = wind=20 farm around our nation's capital. With all = the=20 worthless hot air blowing around there, it = would=20 provide enough energy to light up the = entire=20 eastern seaboard. Kudos to "big oil" for=20 pinpointing the major theme behind this = study=20 scheme."

Kennedy=20 wrote on June 01, 2006=20 8:56 AM:"If=20 the Kennedy connection is true, and I have = no real=20 reason to think not, this could get tied = up for=20 years. How the hell Ted Kennedy keeps = getting=20 elected is beyond me, oh wait, he's a = Kennedy -=20 screwing the whole country is a birthright = for=20 him."

frightened=20 wrote on June 01, 2006=20 8:35 AM:"I=20 think I saw several national security = threats in=20 the Arthur area used to pump water (so = they say).=20 Perhaps we need an =93Operation Amish = Freedom=94 to=20 rid us of these weapons of wind = destruction?=20 "

Jim = Killian, Gibson=20 City wrote on June 01, 2006 8:27 = AM:"....This is a = bunch of=20 baloney. Look up the term RED HERRING, and = you=20 will understand what this BS tactic is.=20 "

Oh = great=20 wrote on June 01, 2006=20 8:17 AM:"Guess Dr. = Evil will=20 have to find somewhere else to launch his = nukes=20 and air raids for global domination = from... the US=20 military is on to his secret, evil = underground=20 headquarters here in central IL. = Seriously,=20 they're stopping a wind farm because = national=20 security would be at stake if they don't = have=20 radar coverage over it? What a = joke."

Last I = Heard=20 wrote on June 01, 2006=20 7:55 AM:"...planes = MOVE across a=20 RADAR screen, if the wind generators are = moving,=20 we've got a bigger problem... like a=20 tornado."

Trib = Reader=20 wrote on June 01, 2006=20 7:42 AM:"According to = the=20 Tribune the members of Congress are the = Kennedys=20 Ted and Patrick who are upset at a = proposed wind=20 farm off of Cape Cod which would impact = their=20 view. Not that either can see straight = anyway but=20 because they are upsed about this they = came up=20 with this lame excuse to have the FAA = study the=20 impact....."

sorry wrote=20 on June 01, = 2006 7:25=20 AM:"the=20 original name of the project was the = Arrowsmith=20 wind farm witch Arrowsmith is going to be = in the=20 center of the whole thing if the = government will=20 let them bild it. It is sad that there are = a few=20 people in washington that can make this = disission.=20 I bet they like there lights and=20 a/c."

Senator=20 Kennedy wrote on June 01, 2006 7:23 = AM:"This=20 story doesn't get into much detail, but = note the=20 "At the request of Congress" statement.=20 Energy-conscious (said with tongue in = cheek)=20 Senator Teddy Kennedy has complained about = a wind=20 farm going up near his home. I think the = local=20 stoppage may have something to do with his = sponsoring a study in order to stop the=20 development near his property. The = resulting study=20 may be stopping development country-wide.=20 "

Radar = Bull=20 wrote on June 01, 2006=20 6:43 AM:"these wind = turbines=20 don't not interfere with any radar systems = of any=20 sorts, and homeland security knows it too. = Cause=20 if they interfere with radar systems they = wouldn't=20 have allowed them to build 2 such farms in = my=20 area. One of which sets right next to the=20 Interstate near a weather radar=20 system."

Birds /=20 Radar wrote on June 01, 2006 6:26 = AM:"First=20 it was the migratory birds that fly = hundreds and=20 thousands of feet when they migrate. Now = it is the=20 radars that these wind turbine will mess = with.=20 What is next. If these turbines mess with = birds=20 and radars than anything that tall should = be=20 removed. I think we should start with = Chicago. It=20 seem to be taller than these turbines. = Starks=20 start up your dozers and push Chicago into = the=20 lake."

Notice = from=20 Government wrote on June 01, 2006 6:22 = AM:"Wind=20 turbines may, can , and will cause = Mayberry RFD to=20 be shown on every channel on your TV.=20 "

Radar = BS=20 wrote on May = 31, 2006=20 11:32 PM:"If these wind = farms=20 were a "REAL" issue with government radars = then=20 why are there thousands and thousands of = them all=20 over California? I would have to agree = that this=20 is more of the pocket padding in=20 washington."

Woodford=20 Pundit wrote on May 31, 2006 11:13 = PM:"THe=20 proposed farm in Benson is to have 400 = foot=20 towers. That's 100 feet taller than = Watterson=20 Towers. Fortunately Watterson doesn't spin = around.=20 The military has squashed several wireless = internet schemes on various frequencies = for the=20 same reason."

what = radar=20 wrote on May = 31, 2006=20 9:01 PM:"is=20 going to be searching for what at 200 feet = in=20 central Illinois. If the radars have not = found=20 some flying object before it get to = Illinois we=20 have some big problems in our government,=20 military, and whom ever else is watching = these=20 radars. I think it is time that we all get = guns to=20 protect our selfs. It seems the government = is not=20 sure that they can."

National=20 Security?? wrote on May 31, 2006 8:55=20 PM:"Please,=20 Big Government, save me from the big bad = wind=20 farms! And military operations? Our = military is=20 10,000 miles away in Iraq fighting for MY=20 free-dumb(tm) to have really expensive = gasoline in=20 my car."

that = bad?=20 wrote on May = 31, 2006=20 8:55 PM:"I=20 thought we'd have the most sophisticated = radar=20 around. If they can't tell windmills from = planes=20 we're in trouble. What have they done in = Holland=20 for years? I smell rats in politics! Are = they=20 trying to sell us a line of bull? = "

jeez wrote=20 on May 31, = 2006 7:28=20 PM:"Come on=20 now. build it, build nuclear plants , = build solar=20 . Build alternative to oil. create a new = economy=20 in illinois"

Like the = Chicago=20 Tribune Article wrote on May 31, 2006 7:28=20 PM:"This is=20 very similar to the article in the Chicago = Tribune=20 today. Check that out online if you are = interested=20 in more information about why the FAA = stopped=20 windfarm work. The article talks = specifically=20 about the Bloomington farm too. = "

Holy = Smoke=20 wrote on May = 31, 2006=20 6:44 PM:"The federal = government=20 wants to stop wind ENERGY because of radar = issues.=20 I knew them commies wanted to attack = through=20 Saybrook. "

big = oil=20 wrote on May = 31, 2006=20 6:40 PM:"This is just = a=20 conspiracy to keep traditional power = sources on=20 top by intimidating alternative power = producers.=20 There are hundreds of wind farms already=20 operational around the country--you would = think=20 they would have this figured out by=20 now."

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